tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755171752803157077.post3893036037251425456..comments2023-06-29T03:45:18.969-07:00Comments on The Constellation Hypothesis: Government and the Kingdom of GodLouishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07276304333361151814noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755171752803157077.post-84332525641071977572009-07-10T12:21:52.923-07:002009-07-10T12:21:52.923-07:00Right I see what you're saying and you might b...Right I see what you're saying and you might be on to something, even if I am right about the Kingdom.Louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07276304333361151814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755171752803157077.post-73985250454302758442009-07-10T12:05:36.990-07:002009-07-10T12:05:36.990-07:00Another thing, though this doesn't settle anyt...Another thing, though this doesn't settle anything, the chronology of 9:6 has a one-to-one correspondence to with Matt. 1 and 2. I.e.:<br /><br />"Unto us a child is born,<br />a child is given..." Matt. 1<br /><br />"...and the government shall be upon his shoulders." Matt. 2Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421656514032288339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755171752803157077.post-82067001604571299952009-07-10T12:01:15.007-07:002009-07-10T12:01:15.007-07:00Yeah, you're right. The other uses of 'go...Yeah, you're right. The other uses of 'government' in the passage are used in the KOG sense. That doesn't mean that the term cannot have to different senses (KOG and Herod's), but your reading is definitely more straight forward.Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421656514032288339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755171752803157077.post-74959634314718428082009-07-10T11:57:12.785-07:002009-07-10T11:57:12.785-07:00Interesting - I never thought of it that way. I a...Interesting - I never thought of it that way. I always assumed that the government being upon his shoulders meant that he would carry the government or lead it. I never thought it could be read as the government will bear down upon him. I wonder whether anyone has written something exegetical that could really clear up the author's intent for this verse. Being biased, I naturally think that the following verses in this passage suggest that my original assumption is correct ("there will be no end to <i>his</i> government", but still I think you have a good point.Louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07276304333361151814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755171752803157077.post-52747178357163455142009-07-10T11:45:04.098-07:002009-07-10T11:45:04.098-07:00Right. The gov't's "being on his shou...Right. The gov't's "being on his shoulders" is a metaphorical way to express that "The Messiah's gov't will try to suppress Him". <br /><br />I don't know the Hebrew, but assuming the English connotations mirror the Hebrew, it seems that f Isaiah were trying to communicate your view, he would have said something less generic and less neutral, like, "The Kingdom of God will be on His shoulders." <br /><br />But since Isaiah says "government", it makes it sound generic and hence not necessarily something continuous or congruent with the purpose of Christ's ministry.Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421656514032288339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755171752803157077.post-54811561149538539512009-07-10T10:42:34.451-07:002009-07-10T10:42:34.451-07:00I don't follow. Are you saying that the proph...I don't follow. Are you saying that the prophecy that the government will rest on the messiah's shoulder is fulfilled by Herod's killing of the firstborns?Louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07276304333361151814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755171752803157077.post-20149581238406231152009-07-10T02:19:35.219-07:002009-07-10T02:19:35.219-07:00I always understood this verse to be a prophecy co...I always understood this verse to be a prophecy concerning Herod's attempt to kill the Messiah as a child, as is recorded in Matthew 2. I always thought, too, that Matthew referenced the Isaiah passage as fulfillment of this prophecy. But, alas, Matthew does no such cross referencing like I supposed. However, Matthew's omission is not evidence that this passage does not concern Herod's massacre of the innocents.Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421656514032288339noreply@blogger.com